Florida State Seminoles

[hedge]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/p ... e=Homepage

Ummm, what the fuck? Deciding that you don't like the actions of the President and taking executive branch actions to get a group together to fabricate the President's unfitness under the 25th Amendment is deciding whether you are all in or not on a fucking coup attempt. The way you remove him for political and criminal behaviour if thats what you think he did, is you bring the evidence to the legislative branch as evidence for them to impeach his ass. Jesus Christ, the fact that someone can even admit thats what they were trying to organize is sickening.

Under what circumstances do you think it would be appropriate to invoke the 25th Amendment? I mean, it's there for a reason. I'm not saying they should do this to Trump, just saying it is there for a reason. So what circumstances do you think would rise to the level of invoking it? Just keep in mind, whatever you say, there would surely be supporters of the president (whoever he may be at whatever point in history) who would claim you were orchestrating a coup. But irregardless, I still want to know under what circumstances do you think it would be appropriate to invoke it...

[eCat]

The only reason I can think they would have legitimately pulled it off is if they thought Trump was leveraged by the Russians - like they had a blackmail situation

But McCabe is the last guy to make that call considering he was part of the "insurance policy" people expecting Hillary to win

[aTm]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/p ... e=Homepage

Ummm, what the fuck? Deciding that you don't like the actions of the President and taking executive branch actions to get a group together to fabricate the President's unfitness under the 25th Amendment is deciding whether you are all in or not on a fucking coup attempt. The way you remove him for political and criminal behaviour if thats what you think he did, is you bring the evidence to the legislative branch as evidence for them to impeach his ass. Jesus Christ, the fact that someone can even admit thats what they were trying to organize is sickening.

Under what circumstances do you think it would be appropriate to invoke the 25th Amendment? I mean, it's there for a reason. I'm not saying they should do this to Trump, just saying it is there for a reason. So what circumstances do you think would rise to the level of invoking it? Just keep in mind, whatever you say, there would surely be supporters of the president (whoever he may be at whatever point in history) who would claim you were orchestrating a coup. But irregardless, I still want to know under what circumstances do you think it would be appropriate to invoke it...

Its pretty obvious that the circumstances intended are if the President truly is physically unable to do the job anymore (like in the hospital or whatever). Under the 25th, the VP would immediately become acting President but it would be rescinded as soon as Trump shows up at the Capitol and says "Hey guys I'm fine" at which point he would automatically be President again. If the VP and the executive branch cabinet didnt desist at that point I believe it goes to Congress for a vote anyway where they would need 2/3 vote of the entire Congress. That means that even if their little coup was successful, to be legal it would actually be even harder than impeachment because this way requires 2/3 of both house and senate combined whereas impeachment requires majority only in House and 2/3 in Senate.

[aTm]

Based on that fact alone it seems it never could have really succeeded anyway. After some thought, I would guess its more like a fantasy McCabe either made up in his own head, or something that he just wants the media to gleefully spew, since he knows they will eat it up, for whatever reasons of his own.

[eCat]

he's trying to sell a book

just like Comey

[Professor Tiger]

The sick and twisted part is Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Oher, Clapper, Brennan, maybe Rosenstein and Mueller, and who knows who else, who abused their official positions to pursue personal partisan vendettas, and attempted a coups of a legitimately elected sitting president, all claim that it was Trump who is a threat to democracy and a traitor to the country.

[Saint]

It would be easier to shoot him in the head in a moving car from atop a building. But that ignores the other pressing problem: You would need to kill everyone else in government and most of the people in the country if you really want to save it

[hedge]

"Its pretty obvious that the circumstances intended are if the President truly is physically unable to do the job anymore (like in the hospital or whatever). Under the 25th, the VP would immediately become acting President"

I agree now that I've actually looked at it, but I was pretty surprised that this amendment was only passed in the wake of JFK's assassination. We've had plenty of presidential assassinations (and I suppose a death or two by natural causes?) and everything proceeded smoothly, why did they need to pass an amendment to the constitution?

However, the wording of Section 4 does seem like it makes a coup constitutionally acceptable. So I guess it wouldn't really be a coup if it's right there in the constitution, although I can hardly think of anything more unlikely to happen than a basically physically healthy president being removed by way of the 25th amendment...

[aTm]

Good news guys, lynching is gonna be a federal crime.

[eCat]

not a fan of Trump declaring emergency to build wall

I would rather he do a net positive like go hard after Mexican drug cartels, freeze their accounts, confiscate their money and funnel it to building the wall

That's how you get Mexico (and Central/South America) to pay for the wall

Would it be enough to pay for the wall? no, not even close, but it would be a huge PR win for Trump, it would create chaos in Mexico - especially with corrupt Mexican officials.

It might motivate Mexico to get serious about stopping immigration on their side of the border. Hell, they might even offer to help build the wall.

[Saint]

The wall is one of the worst ideas ever, from eminent domain to the ecological mess it will make to the staggering cost, not to mention that IT WONT STOP BEANERS FR COMING IN. Here's a thought: Stop giving them handouts and free health care when they get here.

The wall is a scam, not a solution

[eCat]

I've said all along the wall is symbolic

its about showing we are serious about legal immigration or not.

[crashcourse]

Here's a list of the 28 active national emergencies:

1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)

2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)

3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)

4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)

5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)

6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)

7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)

8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)

9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)

10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)

11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)

12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)

13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)

14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)

15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)

16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)

17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)

18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)

19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)

20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)

21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)

22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)

23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)

24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)

25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)

26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)

27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)

28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)

[hedge]

I've said all along the wall is symbolic

its about showing we are serious about legal immigration or not.

I don't see how a symbolic gesture shows you're serious. In fact, I'd say more often than not a symbolic gesture says you're not serious, but you want to make a meaningless (symbolic) gesture so you can pretend like you are. And I don't think Trump is serious about this issue, b/c if he was serious he knows that would mean he'd have to spend a lot of time and brainpower, neither of which he possesses, actually trying to figure shit out, which again is something I think he is massively uninterested in. The only thing he's interested in is not being made to look like he was beaten politically. I doubt he cares at all about keeping a campaign promise, but he just personally does not want to appear to be beaten on this (non)issue...

[Saint]

I've said all along the wall is symbolic

its about showing we are serious about legal immigration or not.

There's a lot of areas we can shore up our policy and address the problems without building a costly but ultimately useless monument to govt' corruption and power. This was about getting votes and then funneling the money to build it to those who paid for the privilege.

[sardis]

Wish you were beaten like a baby seal.

[Professor Tiger]

I don't see how a symbolic gesture shows you're serious. In fact, I'd say more often than not a symbolic gesture says you're not serious,

Then wearing lady part hats, Congress women wearing white, kneeling for the national anthem, wearing various various colored ribbons, flying rainbow flags, etc. mean those who do these things aren’t serious?

I am also uneasy about the emergency declaration. It feels good now, but it feels fraught with unintended consequences. Some future Democrat president might declare a national emergency declaration and disband the Marine Corps to pay for a transatlantic high speed train.

[aTm]

Haha, WTF? I had to double check that this was actually his account tweeting this.
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[sardis]

LOL

He knows that bringing the sass just incenses them more, and by the looks of the twitter responses he would be right.

[Tree]

The wall is one of the worst ideas ever, from eminent domain to the ecological mess it will make to the staggering cost, not to mention that IT WONT STOP BEANERS FR COMING IN. Here's a thought: Stop giving them handouts and free health care when they get here.

The wall is a scam, not a solution

Bernie said it best. Despite Trump's love of finger-pointing brown folk it wasn't immigrants picking strawberries for chump change that broke the economy. It was the greed and criminal behavior of Wall St that did it. And to say Trump has done fuck all to fix the actual problem is missing the point that he's marshaling in the next crash as we speak.